Thursday, July 03, 2014

The Brain of Morbius

The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker)
ponders what it might be like to have
the head of a leather-coated skinheaded
Northern thug.
Four episodes (Part One, Part Two, Part Three, Part Four)
First broadcast Jan 3 to 24 1976
Average audience for serial: 9.78m

CAST

Tom Baker (The Doctor) Born Jan 20 1934
Doctor Who credits
Played: The Doctor in Robot, The Ark in Space, The Sontaran Experiment, Genesis of the Daleks, Revenge of the Cybermen, Terror of the Zygons, Planet of Evil, Pyramids of Mars, The Android Invasion, The Brain of Morbius, The Seeds of Doom, The Masque of Mandragora, The Hand of Fear, The Deadly Assassin, The Face of Evil, The Robots of Death, The Talons of Weng-Chiang, Horror of Fang Rock, The Invisible Enemy, Image of the Fendahl, The Sun Makers, Underworld, The Invasion of Time, The Ribos Operation, The Pirate Planet, The Stones of Blood, The Androids of Tara, The Power of Kroll, The Armageddon Factor, Destiny of the Daleks, City of Death, The Creature from the Pit, Nightmare of Eden, The Horns of Nimon, Shada (unbroadcast), The Leisure Hive, Meglos, Full Circle, State of Decay, Warriors' Gate, The Keeper of Traken, Logopolis (1974-81). Return appearances in The Five Doctors (1983, archive footage), Dimensions in Time (1993), The Day of the Doctor (2013, as The Curator - but I think we all know who he was really!).
Tom also played the Doctor in the 1975 audio story Doctor Who and the Pescatons, and in several BBC and Big Finish audios since 2009.
Played: Meglos in Meglos (1980)
Career highlights
Tom's career began with a 1968 adaptation of The Winter's Tale, followed by roles in George and the Dragon (1968), Z Cars (1968), Softly Softly (1970), Nicholas and Alexandra (1971), The Canterbury Tales (1972), The Vault of Horror (1973), The Golden Voyage of Sinbad (1973), The Mutations (1974), Piccadilly Circus (1977), Late Night Story (1978), The Book Tower (1979-81), The Curse of King Tut's Tomb (1980), The Hound of the Baskervilles (1982, as Sherlock Holmes), Jemima Shore Investigates (1983), Remington Steele (1984), Blackadder II (1986), Roland Rat: The Series (1986), The Kenny Everett Television Show (1986), The Life and Loves of a She-Devil (1986), The Silver Chair (1990), Selling Hitler (1991), The Law Lord (1992), Cluedo (1992), Backtime (1998), Max Bear (2000), Dungeons and Dragons (2000), Fun at the Funeral Parlour (2001), Strange (2003), Fort Boyard (2003), Swiss Toni (2003), The Magic Roundabout (2005), Agatha Christie's Marple (2007), The Beeps (2007-08) and The Genie in the Bottle (2010). Tom has also had regular roles as Prof Geoffrey Hoyt in Medics (1992-95), Professor Wyvern in Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) (2000-01) and Donald MacDonald in Monarch of the Glen (2004-05). He is probably most famous in his latter career for providing the eccentric narration for sketch series Little Britain between 2003-08.
Facts
Tom left home at 15 to become a monk with the Brothers of Ploermel on Jersey, but abandoned this profession at the age of 21 in favour of National Service. In 1971 Tom was nominated for two Golden Globe Awards for his portrayal of Rasputin in Nicholas and Alexandra (he was beaten by Ben Johnson and Desi Arnaz Jr). In December 1980 he married actress Lalla Ward (who had been companion Romana in Doctor Who since 1979), but the marriage ended 18 months later. He married third wife Sue Jerrard in 1986, previously an assistant editor on Doctor Who. Tom's old drinking buddies in the 1960s and 70s included artist Francis Bacon at the infamous Colony Room. Tom has several links to popular music - appearing on Technocat's single Only Human (1995), and providing a monologue on Witness to a Murder (Part Two) by Mansun (1998 - his Doctor and the TARDIS also appeared on the cover of the band's album Six). Pop band The Human League released a song entitled Tom Baker in 1980. In 1999 Tom published a short fairytale novel called The Boy Who Kicked Pigs, which has since been adapted for the stage. Tom's distinctive vocals can also be heard at various tourist attractions in the UK, such as the London Dungeon, Natural History Museum and Alton Towers' Nemesis ride. In 2006 Tom recorded 11,593 phrases so his voice could be used for BT's text messaging service to raise money for homeless charity Shelter - as a result record producer Mark Murphy created a single of Tom "singing" You Really Got Me by the Kinks.

Elisabeth Sladen (Sarah Jane Smith) Feb 1 1946 to Apr 19 2011 (pancreatic cancer)
Doctor Who credits
Played: Sarah Jane Smith in The Time Warrior (1973-74), Invasion of the Dinosaurs (1974), Death to the Daleks (1974), The Monster of Peladon (1974), Planet of the Spiders (1974), Robot (1974-75), The Ark in Space (1975), The Sontaran Experiment (1975), Genesis of the Daleks (1975), Revenge of the Cybermen (1975), Terror of the Zygons (1975), Planet of Evil (1975), Pyramids of Mars (1975), The Android Invasion (1975), The Brain of Morbius (1976), The Seeds of Doom (1976), The Masque of Mandragora (1976), The Hand of Fear (1976), K9 & Company (1981), The Five Doctors (1983), Dimensions in Time (1993), School Reunion (2006), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Invasion of the Bane (2007), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Revenge of the Slitheen (2007), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Eye of the Gorgon (2007), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Warriors of Kudlak (2007), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? (2007), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Lost Boy (2007), The Stolen Earth/ Journey's End (2008), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Last Sontaran (2008), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Day of the Clown (2008), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Secrets of the Stars (2008), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Mark of the Berserker (2008), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Temptation of Sarah Jane Smith (2008), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Enemy of the Bane (2008), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Prisoner of the Judoon (2009), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Mad Woman in the Attic (2009), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith (2009), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Eternity Trap (2009), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Mona Lisa's Revenge (2009), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Gift (2009), The End of Time Part Two (2010), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Nightmare Man (2010), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Vault of Secrets (2010), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Death of the Doctor (2010), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Empty Planet (2010), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Lost in Time (2010), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Goodbye, Sarah Jane Smith (2010), The Sarah Jane Adventures: Sky (2011), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Curse of Clyde Langer (2011), The Sarah Jane Adventures: The Man Who Never Was (2011).
Elisabeth also played Sarah in the 1975 audio story Doctor Who and the Pescatons, two BBC Radio stories - The Paradise of Death (1993) and The Ghosts of N-Space (1996) - and the fan video production Downtime (1995), as well as reprising the role for various Big Finish audio plays.
Career highlights
Elisabeth's earliest (uncredited) role was in Ferry Cross the Mersey (1965), then Coronation Street (1970), Z Cars (1971/72), Doomwatch (1972), Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em (1973), Hickory House (1973), Merry-Go-Round (1977), Send in the Girls (1978), Take My Wife (1979), Silver Dream Racer (1980), In Loving Memory (1980), Name for the Day (1980), Gulliver in Lilliput (1982), Dempsey and Makepeace (1985), Alice in Wonderland (1986), The Bill (1989), Men of the World (1994), Peak Practice (1996) and Faith in the Future (1996).
Facts
She was married to actor Brian Miller, also a Doctor Who alumni. Elisabeth appeared alongside seven of the TV Doctors (Doctors 1-5 either during her own era or in The Five Doctors, plus the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors in either 21st century Doctor Who or her own spin-off series). The Impossible Astronaut (2011) was dedicated to Elisabeth on its transmission, while a special programme entitled My Sarah Jane: A Tribute to Elisabeth Sladen aired on Children's BBC. BBC4 also repeated The Hand of Fear (1976) as a tribute.

Philip Madoc (Solon) Jul 5 1934 to Mar 5 2012 (cancer)
Doctor Who credits
Played: Brockley in Daleks: Invasion Earth 2150AD (1966)
Played: Eelek in The Krotons (1968-69)
Played: War Lord in The War Games (1969)
Played: Solon in The Brain of Morbius (1976)
Played: Fenner in The Power of Kroll (1978-79)
Career highlights
Prolific Philip made his debut in 1961's On the Fiddle and went on to appear in Out of This World (1962), The Monsters (1962), The Scarlet and the Black (1965), A High Wind in Jamaica (1965), For Whom the Bell Tolls (1965), The Power Game (1966), five episodes of The Avengers (1962-69), Man in a Suitcase (1968), The Tyrant King (1968), Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) (1969), Manhunt (1970), UFO (1970-71), Dr Jekyll and Sister Hyde (1971), Woodstock (1973), Dad's Army (1973), The Inheritors (1974), Barlow At Large (1973-75, as Rizzi), Space: 1999 (1975), Porridge (1975),Survivors (1976), Another Bouquet (1977), Target (1977-78, as DS Tate), Flickers (1980), The Life and Times of David Lloyd George (1981, as the title character), Ennal's Point (1982), If Tomorrow Comes (1986), The Ronnie Corbett Show (1987), First Born (1988), Moonacre (1994), A Mind to Kill (1991-2002, as Detective Chief Inspector Noel Bain), Best (2000), Spine Chillers (2003), He Knew He Was Right (2004), Midsomer Murders (2007), Y Pris (2007) and Hawk (2011).
Facts
Between 1961-81 he was married to Welsh actress Ruth Madoc (of Hi-De-Hi! and Little Britain fame). In 2001 Philip - who acted as an interpreter in languages such as Welsh, Swedish, German and even Huron Indian and Mandarin before becoming an actor - was awarded an honorary degree by the University of Glamorgan.

Colin Fay (Condo)
Career highlights
Doctor Who was Colin's screen debut, followed by 1990 (1977), All Creatures Great and Small (1978/80), The Dick Emery Christmas Show (1980), Emery Presents (1982), Dogfood Dan and the Carmarthen Cowboy (1988) and The Bill (1989).

Michael Spice (Voice of Morbius) May 20 1931 to Nov 2 1983
Doctor Who credits
Played: Voice of Morbius in The Brain of Morbius (1976)
Played: Magnus Greel in The Talons of Weng-Chiang (1977)
Career highlights
Michael also appeared in Hamlet (1961), Cross-Roads (1964), A Countess from Hong Kong (1967), Edward II (1970), Advent of Steam (1971), The Pallisers (1974), The Brothers (1976), Blake's 7 (1979) and Number 10 (1983).
Facts
Michael worked extensively on radio as an accomplished voice actor. If you've ever wondered what he actually looked like, here's a screencap of him in The Pallisers.

Cynthia Grenville (Maren)
Career highlights
Cynthia's further credits include The Money Machine (1962), The Main Chance (1970), Within These Walls (1975), Poldark (1975-76), Kessler (1981), The Citadel (1983), Rumpole of the Bailey (1988), The Gift (1990), Jeeves and Wooster (1991), Ivanhoe (1997), Hetty Wainthropp Investigates (1998) and Dad (1999).

Gilly Brown (Ohica)
Career highlights
Gilly debuted in The Heroism of Thomas Chadwick in 1967, followed by work in Casanova (1971), Sex and the Other Woman (1972), Frustrated Wives (1973), Hunter's Walk (1976), Angels (1976), The Mayor of Casterbridge (1978), Grange Hill (1979) and The Madness Museum (1986).
Facts
Gilly's proper name is Gillian Brown, but for a time in the mid-1970s she was also a songwriter and preferred to be Gilly as an actress, and Gillian as a musician. The distinction didn't last long.

Sue Bishop (Sister)
Career highlights
Sue first appeared in a 1968 Z Cars, then The Six Wives of Henry VIII (1970), The Benny Hill Show (1970), Scott On... (1971), Dad's Army (1973), Legend of the Werewolf (1975), Are You Being Served? (1979), Blake's 7 (1979/81) and Nancy Astor (1982).

Janie Kells (Sister)
Career highlights
Janie's other work includes International Cabaret (1968), Macbeth (1971), The Slipper and the Rose (1976) and The Elephant Man (1980).

Gabrielle Mowbray (Sister)
Her only other credit was Holding the Fort (1980-81).

Veronica Ridge (Sister)
Her only other credit was Menace (1970).

John Scott Martin (Kriz) Apr 1 1926 to Jan 6 2009 (Parkinson's Disease)
Doctor Who credits
Played: Zarbi in The Web Planet (1965)
Played: Daleks in The Chase (1965), Mission to the Unknown (1965), The Daleks' Master Plan (1965-66), The Power of the Daleks (1966), The Evil of the Daleks (1967), Day of the Daleks (1972), Frontier in Space (1973), Planet of the Daleks (1973), Death to the Daleks (1974), Genesis of the Daleks (1975), The Five Doctors (1983), Resurrection of the Daleks (1984), Revelation of the Daleks (1985), Remembrance of the Daleks (1988)
Played: Mechanoids in The Chase (1965)
Played: IMC robot in Colony in Space (1971)
Played: Charlie in The Daemons (1971, uncredited)
Played: Mutt in The Mutants (1972)
Played: Gell Guard in The Three Doctors (1972-73)
Played: Hughes in The Green Death (1973)
Played: Reading guard in Robot (1974-75)
Played: Kriz in The Brain of Morbius (1975)
Played: Nucleus in The Invisible Enemy (1977)
Career highlights
John's long career began in 1952's The Life and Death of King John, and went to play usually bit-part roles in Quatermass and the Pit (1958), Ghost Squad (1963), The Likely Lads (1965-66), The Blood Beast Terror (1968), Upstairs, Downstairs (1972), The Good Life (1975), The Duchess of Duke Street (1977), Pink Floyd: The Wall (1982), The Tripods (1984), Erik the Viking (1989), Bullseye! (1990), London's Burning (1991), Ali G Indahouse (2002) and Mine All Mine (2004).
Facts
John also appeared in Catatonia's video for Dead from the Waist Down (1999). In later years he was a church warden and school governor in Essex.

Stuart Fell (Morbius monster) Born 1942
Doctor Who credits
Stunt/ fight arranger: Terror of the Autons (1971, uncredited), The Talons of Weng-Chiang (1977), The Ribos Operation (1978, uncredited), State of Decay (1980)
Played: UNIT soldier in The Claws of Axos (1971, uncredited)
Played: Alpha Centauri (body) in The Curse of Peladon (1972), The Monster of Peladon (1974)
Played: Sea Devil in The Sea Devils (1972, uncredited)
Played: Functionary in Carnival of Monsters (1973, uncredited)
Played: Tramp in Planet of the Spiders (1974)
Played: Field guard in Planet of the Spiders (1974, uncredited)
Played: Wirrn operator in The Ark in Space (1975)
Played: Kraal in The Android Invasion (1975)
Played: Morbius monster in The Brain of Morbius (1975)
Played: Guard in The Masque of Mandragora (1976, uncredited), The Face of Evil (1977, uncredited), The Sun Makers (1977, uncredited)
Played: Entertainer in The Masque of Mandragora (1976)
Played: Sontaran in The Invasion of Time (1978)
Played: Roga in State of Decay (1980)
Career highlights
Stuntman Stuart had bit-parts and action roles in a great number of productions, starting with Doomwatch (1970), then Colditz (1972), Steptoe and Son (1974), A Bridge Too Far (1977), Last of the Summer Wine (1978-2008), Superman (1978), The Dick Emery Show (1979-80), The Empire Strikes Back (1980), Blake's 7 (1978-81), For Your Eyes Only (1981), Open All Hours (1981), Octopussy (1983), The Goodies (1977-82), The Invisible Man (1984), The Two Ronnies (1973-85), The Kenny Everett Television Show (1981-86), Aliens (1986), Chocky's Challenge (1986), Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988), French and Saunders (1990), The Les Dennis Laughter Show (1991), Keeping Up Appearances (1992-95) and Duck Patrol (1998).
Facts
Stuart performs at events as Taro the Jester (voted Jester of the Year 1993), and at locations such as country hotels, castles and even the Tower of London. His skills include stilt-walking, fire-eating and juggling.

CREW

Terrance Dicks (writer, under the pseudonym Robin Bland) Born Apr 14 1935
Doctor Who credits
Script edited: The Invasion, The Krotons, The Seeds of Death, The War Games, Spearhead from Space, Doctor Who and the Silurians, The Ambassadors of Death, Inferno, Terror of the Autons, The Mind of Evil, The Claws of Axos, Colony in Space, The Daemons, Day of the Daleks, The Curse of Peladon, The Sea Devils, The Mutants, The Time Monster, The Three Doctors, Carnival of Monsters, Frontier in Space, Planet of the Daleks, The Green Death, The Time Warrior, Invasion of the Dinosaurs, Death to the Daleks, The Monster of Peladon, Planet of the Spiders (1968-74)
Wrote: The War Games (1969), Robot (1974-75), The Brain of Morbius (1976, as Robin Bland), Horror of Fang Rock (1977), State of Decay (1980), The Five Doctors (1983)
Played: Man in Doctor Who and the Silurians (1970, uncredited)
Career highlights
Prolific writer Terrance also wrote for Crossroads (1964), The Avengers (1962-69), Moonbase 3 (1973), Space: 1999 (1976) and Beau Geste (1982). He took script editor duties on Moonbase 3 (1973), Great Expectations (1981), Stalky & Co. (1982), The Hound of the Baskervilles (1982, with Tom Baker as Sherlock Holmes), Dombey and Son (1983), Jane Eyre (1983), The Invisible Man (1984) and The Pickwick Papers (1985). As a producer, he worked on Oliver Twist (1985), Alice in Wonderland (1986), Brat Farrar (1986), David Copperfield (1986), The Diary of Anne Frank (1987) and Vanity Fair (1987).
Facts
Terrance has maintained his links to Doctor Who over the years, having written over 60 TV story novelisations, as well as two stageplays - Doctor Who and the Daleks in the Seven Keys to Doomsday (1974) and The Ultimate Adventure (1989) - a number of spin-off video and audio dramas, and original titles in the Virgin New Adventures, Missing Adventures, BBC Books and Quick Reads ranges. Away from Doctor Who, Terrance has also written extensively for children's fiction and non-fiction book ranges since 1976, including Star Quest, The Mounties, The Baker Street Irregulars, Cry Vampire, The Adventures of Goliath, Chronicles of a Computer Game Addict, The Unexplained and many more.

Robert Holmes (writer - under the pseudonym Robin Bland - and script editor) Apr 2 1926 to May 24 1986 (chronic liver ailment)
Doctor Who credits
Wrote: The Krotons (1968-69), The Space Pirates (1969), Spearhead from Space (1970), Terror of the Autons (1971), Carnival of Monsters (1973), The Time Warrior (1973-74), The Ark in Space (1975), Pyramids of Mars (1975, uncredited), The Brain of Morbius (1976, uncredited), The Deadly Assassin (1976), The Talons of Weng-Chiang (1977), The Sun Makers (1977), The Ribos Operation (1978), The Power of Kroll (1978-79), The Caves of Androzani (1984), The Two Doctors (1985), The Trial of a Time Lord (1986)
Script edited: Robot, The Ark in Space (uncredited), The Sontaran Experiment, Genesis of the Daleks, Revenge of the Cybermen, Terror of the Zygons, Planet of Evil, Pyramids of Mars, The Android Invasion, The Brain of Morbius, The Seeds of Doom, The Masque of Mandragora, The Hand of Fear, The Deadly Assassin (uncredited), The Face of Evil, The Robots of Death, The Talons of Weng-Chiang (uncredited), Horror of Fang Rock, The Invisible Enemy, Image of the Fendahl, The Sun Makers (uncredited) (1974-78)
Career highlights
He began writing for TV as early as Knight Errant Limited (1960), and went on to write scripts for Deadline Midnight (1961), Ghost Squad (1962), Emergency Ward 10 (1962-63), Dr Finlay's Casebook (1964-65), Undermind (1965), No Hiding Place (1965-67), Public Eye (1965-68), Mr Rose (1967-68), Doomwatch (1971), Spyder's Web (1972), Dixon of Dock Green (1974), Jukes of Piccadilly (1980), The Nightmare Man (1981), Blake's 7 (1979/81), Into the Labyrinth (1981-82) and Bergerac (1983-87). He was also story editor on Armchair Thriller and Shoestring, both in 1980.
Facts
Robert was the youngest ever commissioned officer in the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders, serving in Burma. After he left the Army he joined the police, then became a journalist and sports writer - he was the last ever editor of British lifestyle publication John Bull Magazine in 1964. He was originally going to write Doctor Who's 20th anniversary tale in 1983, but when he found the numerous elements he'd been asked to incorporate unworkable, he was replaced by Terrance Dicks. Robert died while writing the final two episodes of The Trial of a Time Lord, and due to tensions in the Doctor Who production office at the time, his original ending for the story had to be changed and written afresh by Pip and Jane Baker. His face was also one of those seen during the Time Lord mind battle in The Brain of Morbius.

Christopher Barry (director) Sep 20 1925 to Feb 7 2014 (following a fall)
Doctor Who credits
Directed: The Daleks (episodes 1-2 & 4-5, 1963-64), The Rescue (1965), The Romans (1965), The Savages (1966), The Power of the Daleks (1966), The Daemons (1971), The Mutants (1972), Robot (1974-75), The Brain of Morbius (1976), The Creature from the Pit (1979).
Career highlights
His directing career began on an episode of Starr and Company (1958) and through his long career he worked on series such as Private Investigator (1958-59), Take a Pair of Private Eyes (1966), Paul Temple (1970-71), Moonbase 3 (1973), Poldark (1975), Nicholas Nickleby (1977), The Onedin Line (1977), All Creatures Great and Small (1978-80), Juliet Bravo (1981-82) and The Tripods (1984-85). He was also producer on The Net (1962), No Cloak - No Dagger (1962), Broome Stages (1966) and Nanny (1981-83). His earliest TV work was as an uncredited third assistant director on A Run for Your Money (1949).
Facts
Christopher was also one of the many faces used during the mind battle sequence in The Brain of Morbius. In 1995 he directed the straight-to-video fan production Downtime. Christopher died following a fall down an escalator in a Banbury shopping centre.

Philip Hinchcliffe (producer) Born Oct 1 1944
Doctor Who credits
Produced: The Ark in Space, The Sontaran Experiment, Genesis of the Daleks, Revenge of the Cybermen, Terror of the Zygons, Planet of Evil, Pyramids of Mars, The Android Invasion, The Brain of Morbius, The Seeds of Doom, The Masque of Mandragora, The Hand of Fear, The Deadly Assassin, The Face of Evil, The Robots of Death, The Talons of Weng-Chiang (1975-77)
Career highlights
Doctor Who was one of Philip's first TV jobs, after being script editor on Alexander the Greatest (1971), You're Only Young Twice (1971), The Jensen Code (1973) and The Kids from 47A (1973-74). After leaving Doctor Who, Philip became producer on Target (1977-78), Private Schulz (1981), Nancy Astor (1982), Strangers and Brothers (1984), The Charmer (1987), Bust (1987-88), Friday On My Mind (1992), An Awfully Big Adventure (1995), Seesaw (1998), McCallum (1998), Rebus (2000-01) and Taggart (1999-2001). Philip has also written scripts for Crossroads (1970), Target (1977) and Bust (1987-88), and novelised three Doctor Who stories for Target Books.
Facts
Philip won the 1990 Prix Europa Fiction Prize for And a Nightingale Sang, a film adapted from C P Taylor's play by screenwriter Jack Rosenthal. In 1977 he was nominated for a BAFTA for his work on Doctor Who, and received a further nomination for Private Schulz. There was also an Emmy nomination for Nancy Astor, a mini-series he produced in 1982. His daughter Celina Hinchcliffe is a British TV sports presenter, including for SkySports. His brother-in-law is actor Geoffrey Whitehead. In 2014 Philip returned to the world of Doctor Who by writing two new audio serials for the Fourth Doctor and Leela for Big Finish Productions.


The many faces of Morbius... or is it the Doctor? Or both? Or neither?!

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